Conceptually, though, do you see yourself consciously in the jazz
tradition?
I do, I think of myself as in the same mindset that Bud Powell or Thelonious Monk occupied, albeit
in a different time and a whole different reality. But I definitely see myself coming out of their posture,
as far as the figures that they created for themselves, and playing the piano into the world, the
environment, that theyÕre around. I understand their posture and feel very close to it.
An obvious though probably superficial reference
point might be the jazz-improv-unto-new-music trips of Cecil Taylor. Did he
have much of an impact on your thinking about the pianoÕs role in the new
jazz?
Well,
the great thing from him in my development was that he just let you know
that there was another way to play. IÕm a child of the Õ70s, I was born in
1960, but when I was growing up, there were piano players like Chick Corea,
Herbie Hancock and Keith Jarrett, or Bill Evans and McCoy Tyner and Cecil
Taylor who just let you know that there was another way if you wanted to
take that particular way of doing things. But as far as the actual content
of what Cecil was playing, I always stayed very clear away from it, because
it works for him but it really wouldnÕt work for anybody else.
How do you work? Do you think in shapes, possibly, or
have specific games in mind that you want to pursue in a piece? Or might it
go the opposite way, where what we call emotion might drive what youÕre
trying to get across?
It works both ways. Sometimes
I sit down with an emotional or general philosophical idea in mind, and the
piece works itself out in a way thatÕs very surprising to me. Other times I
have an exact idea of a kind of specific gestural thing I want to explore,
and I work that way. And sometimes itÕs a mesh of both.
What
does the albumÕs title 4D refer to?
The
fourth dimension, in the fringe, you know, searching for a space-time
continuum on the piano that is a dimension above this world, or a dimension
above the usual piano world.
From the opening notes, the title track is an amazing
piece: amazing chords, amazing independence in your hands, and an amazingly
varied emotional terrain. With every one of these tracks, thereÕs so much
to absorb, someone could be listening to this thing the rest of his life
and still be making discoveries. For me, this works too as highly visual
music. Are you thinking visually, or is that a composer clichˇ?
Oh
no, I think thereÕs a cinematic aspect to how I program things. ItÕs not so
much based on cinema, but more on metaphysical images Š and I donÕt mean
strict religious images, but things in my subconscious mind. I definitely
program it based on whatÕs going on underneath the surface in my own head,
and those are images of sorts.
LetÕs
take the track ŅThe Crack in the PianoÕs EggÓ for example. The title itself says youÕre going to do something
new, and youÕre going to do it with your own internal logic.
In
that piece I had the image of a bebop pianist, but in 2009, so it wouldnÕt
be bebop in language Š well, thatÕs an area where maybe thereÕs a fractured
bebop sensibility. The title refers to one of my favorite books, A Crack
in the Cosmic Egg, and that book has to do with constructs of mind and
reality and language. My piece has to do with the idea of a linear bebop
language fracturing and actually generating another language as kind of a
meta-language to bebop-ology. And itÕs somewhere in the stratosphere
between Monk and Bud Powell, but in a very 2009 type of way.
ŅThe Crack in the PianoÕs EggÓ is not a humorous
piece as such, but thereÕs a sense of fun in hearing you really having your
way with the piano.
Oh,
thereÕs one part where IÕm doing this descending thing, itÕs like a
jackhammer.
I
heard it like somebody stomping in some big boots.
Yeah,
thereÕs definitely that aspect to it in some parts, when the big chords
come in.
Meanwhile thereÕs another track, ŅEquilibrium,Ó where
youÕre taking what sounds like an architectural approach to the sound in
the music.
I
think in terms of sacred physical spaces. My major joy in life is going to
churches and cathedrals. IÕm not a standard type of Christian or anything,
but I really enjoy the resonance and the kind of quietude that can exist in
sacred places of all cultures. Any type of sacred architecture, or crop
circles or pyramids or anything like that, which has a geometrical basis to
it, is based on geometry, number and resonance, informs my music actually
more than anything. I consider sacred architecture a space to meditate or
to dwell, to rest your mind, and thatÕs how I conceptualize my music.
But then your pieces are also like pools to immerse
in, thereÕs so much to experience. That can be a meditative thing, but itÕs
also inspiring for the sheer number of ideas youÕve got crammed into every
work. YouÕve obviously got a lot of jazz history in your playing, but you
do seem to be coming from a lot of different musical places.
Well,
thereÕs a big element of Balinese music. The great thing about gamelan,
some of it, is when itÕs really happening, itÕs like a huge sheet of glass,
and I love that transparent bigness of the sound. I always go for that in
my harmonic language, huge chords that are somehow also transparent. I also
really like classical Indian music, because it has the same resonance that
I like in Coltrane and Jimi Hendrix, and that is, a circular world thatÕs
ecclesiastical-sounding. The thing is, you just gotta be open to
everything, and thatÕs what I hear in Monk; it doesnÕt matter what it was ŠŠ
a country song or birds chirping ŠŠ he just took it in and somehow broke it
down to something that worked with his brain stem.
When
you asked what are the things that launched me, itÕs everything. In the
classical realm, itÕs pretty obvious, itÕs Debussy, and IÕm very heavy into
the whole Glenn Gould Plays Bach trip, very heavy into some things like
Schoenberg or Webern and Boulez, and some aspects of Cage and Feldman, and
a lot of Chopin, a lot of Scriabin. But all in all, I mean, itÕs everything
ŠŠ the wind and the rain and all of that, because itÕs all
vibrations, and itÕs all rhythm.
When you mentioned Cage and Feldman, would we be
hearing that in your very deliberate use of space?
Feldman
I really am into. Cage, [laughs] I like his prepared piano pieces a lot, but, yeah, Feldman
is profound in his use of space, silence, very profound.
IÕm not really into CageÕs ideas about indeterminacy and all
that. I mean, I believe in random factors in the universe, but I ultimately
believe that chaos and randomness is important because thatÕs what
revitalizes everything, and that thereÕs a central organizing principle at
the bottom of the cosmos or of anybodyÕs brain that organizes things within
a certain form, albeit if itÕs your form or this personÕs form. Whereas I
think with Cage, as open as he is, he sometimes presents some of his ideas
as doctrinaire. But, you know, maybe he had to be the one to explore that.
One of the most inspiring things about your playing
is that you sound like an artist who is primarily doing his art for himself.
And it doesnÕt sound selfish in that way, rather itÕs a pleasure to
experience the intensity of your focus. ThatÕs always going to be the best
thing for the listener, who can ideally extrapolate wisdom from your scheme
of logic, and your own idiosyncratic harmonic sense, certainly. ThatÕs
whatÕs killing me, by the way ŠŠ these are the best damn chords IÕve ever
heard.
IÕm
obsessed with harmony, utterly obsessed. In different ways, too. I mean, my
two favorite pianists are A)
Duke Ellington and B) Bill Evans. TheyÕre
coming from different standpoints altogether, but you know they both
obsessed over what chords they were going to grab, and just with certain
voices they can ŠŠ thereÕs so much information, always. IÕve always been
obsessed with that. In classical music I guess Scriabin and Debussy offer
some of the juiciest vocabulary. And Schoenberg, and actually Gershwin in
the classical pieces, thereÕs a lot.
Speaking of fantastic chord voicings, you do a track
called ŅPrimal Harmonic.Ó What were you aiming for in that one?
When
I look back on it, even though I wasnÕt thinking this in the studio, that
seemed to me to be kind of my take on the intersection of worlds between.
And I donÕt usually approach music this way, but I thought about an
intersection between McCoy Tyner and Alice Coltrane, two pianists who
played with the same sax player, who had divergent, different styles, but
were involved with the same sax player, one of them just a longtime
pianist, the other his wife, a pianist.
IÕm
an Alice Coltrane fanatic, and feel that sheÕs never gotten her due. And
that track I did that toward the end of the session, and I was kind of
tired, and I didnÕt even care about playing, I mean, I knew we had the
album so I was just trying stuff. So I just sat down and said, Oh, itÕd be
cool to do a piece thatÕs me but where Alice and McCoy are slightly felt,
you know.
How
much are these pieces worked out before you record in the studio?
Well,
most of them arenÕt, but what I did in preparing for the album was I spent
a lot of
time practicing; I went out here to my fatherÕs home and really
concentrated on I mean massive practicing to get focused. I kind of worked over some ideas
and really, really focused in on it, and IÕd been thinking about it for a
while. So on one level, a lot of it is spontaneous, but I actually did work
through a lot of ideas over a period of time.
You mentioned your love of gamelan, and I thought of
that musicÕs similarity to the effect one experienced hearing
Ornette
ColemanÕs Prime Time band play, that there is a way to listen to tightly
interlaced music close up and farther back. One can do that with your
music, stick the face right in there and examine the parts, and flabbergast
at what all youÕre doing technically; then you can pull back from it and
see and feel it more like an ornately strewn wall or fabric, where it
becomes more visual, maybe. ThatÕs possible with a lot of music, I suppose,
but are you thinking along those lines, too, of the varied depths with
which to perceive your sound?
No,
no, no, IÕm not really thinking about how people are going to perceive it;
I can only generate what I am. You know, the great thing about music is
that it offers different ways to listen. But IÕm not thinking about how
anybody else is going to get into it and experience what IÕm doing. Just
trying to do my part at that time.
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